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Crime Statistics (PDF) Crime Statistics (Excel) Contact Information. Part of why I wanted to write this post was to point out the downsides to going with an IND style Utica Ave over IRT. It will cost less. A lower cost solution to your previous When looking at your plans for Utica Avenue, you seem to only put emphasize on what the area is like now and not in the future. If so, it could be served by alternate runs of the E or as a second express provided a suitable terminal could be found. There are also some windows in this level. In May 2014, MTA installed three elevators: one near the intersection of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, connecting the mezzanine to the street, and two elevators connecting the platforms to the mezzanine. But they can be overcome piece by piece whereas it would be one big jump from IRT sizing. The first plan offers the highest operational flexibility and allows a continuation of both local and express trains to access Nostrand Ave but would cost close to $1 billion and require extensive excavation. Excellent nonetheless. B, the curve wont be as sharp when the train curves down Flatbush to Kings Plaza. But another perk is that we dont have to worry about A or B div standards This station has two fare control areas, one at either end. The MTA has only been making these small extensions, the last major one (affected more than 3 lines) was in 1967-1968, which changed the BB, T, TT, D, F, JJ, M, MM, and the QT, and added the QJ, B, and KK. B46 Utica and Eastern Parkway. Top track level I just noticed not just the rough formatting and typos but Id accidentally truncated my handle to H. And I though drafting it offline would reduce mistakes! Freeway-style concrete pillars. Messing that up is messing a lot of commuters daily commute. Maybe place one of the Ls tracks in the cut and the other over it at street level? South of Kings Highway would be stations at Flatlands Ave, Ave N and after the line turns down Flatbush Ave, at Ave U-Kings Plaza. The Independent Subway System (IND or ISS), formerly known as the Independent City-Owned Subway System (ICOSS) or the Independent City-Owned Rapid Transit Railroad (ICORTR), was a rapid transit rail system in New York City that is now part of the New York City Subway. It wont serve all of Utica; just the portion that doesnt have parallel service on Nostrand. The Manhattan-bound platform has its metalwork painted in golden yellow and the tiles beneath the trim line in dark blue. As for late nights and weekends why not just extend the 6? Bring line to ground at terminal. que mangent les gendarmes insectes. and weekends the 5 doesnt go to Brooklyn. How can build the Utica Ave Subway? Everything else is a single or double story commercial or light industrial building, parking lot, and one school. I would extend the (2)/(5) to Voorhies, with a possible skip-stop to speed up commutes.Otherwise, I agree that this is option MTA will opt for most. I thought that was my craziest but. But this does not deal with the immediate needs of those that live along Utica Ave. Building an extension of the IRT could be opened long before the section through northern Brooklyn and would have immediate benefits by serving more riders with direct service rather than requiring transferring. The station listings are extremely far apart to where it barely serves any local communities on the route. But the big question for me is what are you going to do about the 5 not running on late nights and weekends? Have a design contest; results [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. Well, maybe the few short runs can be extended but all the new runs have to be BWY7. Building it to Water St requires all new infrastructure there and a new East River tunnel (which isnt needed) and with Nassau St located closer to the heart of the Financial District and with better transfer options (that Water St would not be able to provide) it seems obvious that its a better routing. I never said I disagreed with staging it so that Utica is first built. You are proposing adding a couple billion dollars for what isnt all that much more capacity in the grand scheme. With it both 2/3 trains would only go to Brooklyn College while 5 trains would serve the local stations, Nostrand Ave, Kingston Ave, and Utica Ave before turning south to Kings Plaza, while 4 trains would stay express to Utica Ave and take over service to New Lots. will be as interesting and more reasonable than those from the genius Just skip it. You know those 44 tph the current arrangement allows? The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). Meaning if the Livonia Yards are overcrowded and a train-related incident happens at Franklin;blocking off service to Manhattan, trains can run between New Lots and Flatbush and/or Kings Plaza and Flatbush. So theres a source of northern capacity right there. After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. Split track areas. The application was approved, and the IRT extension opened on May 1, 1908. Between Myrtle-Broadway and Fulton St the line would down Stuyvesant Ave. No stations along this stretch were detailed by IND engineers but given typical station spacing one could guess that two stations would be needed, one between Lafayette and Greene Aves and another at Halsey St. The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build.. Perhaps you are discounting the Fulton St. MTA Subway - Crown Heights/Utica Ave (3/4) 1117 Eastern Pkwy. Better to have SAS Williamsburg via the 9th St storage tracks and SAS Fulton local as the obvious trunk line that needs new capacity. Train operators. The two street stairs here lead to either mall of Eastern Parkway west of Utica Avenue. Delays wont occur because of judges ordering you to change your practices to mitigate pollution or traffic effects. Look at the ceiling from the open platform, and at the mezzanine area at the north end. Meaning that in order for a IND to run down Utica Av, Utica Av would have to be destroyed and rebuilt around the same area of the 3/4 station. The 2nd Ave station (F line) was built with express tracks pointed towards Brooklyn (the 6th Ave express trains would have made up the bulk of the Utica Ave Line), at the Broadway G station there is the shell of the never built South 4th St station which was to serve Utica Ave trains, and at Utica Ave station on the Fulton St Line (A/C lines) there was on the upper level a shell for a 4 track station for Utica Ave trains. Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). SAS-Grand Central future awkward? With subway costs so high els may be the only way to go. Other sources indicate that the unused level at Fulton St.s Utica station is not quite perpendicular but slanted 20 degrees or so in the favorable direction. I would have to strongly object to abandoning Phase IV; that still leaves the entire SAS and Sixth Av LES stations without a direct connection to downtown (and thus fails the objective of relieving the Lex), leaves Water St underserved despite heavy employment density, and subjects SAS to the whims of the DeKalb interlocking. Crescent sections of the Jamaica line, clearing most but not all of the messy My thinking is that the train has to slow down and then speed up for the stop in the station anyway. When would you see it converted to that? The one on the west (railroad north) is staffed weekdays only and accessed via a wide staircase in place of the end wall of the New Lots Avenue-bound platform. The Livonia Avenue branch line, known as Route No. And this is exactly what you or I would do in their shoes. Stations are going to be more expensive no matter what because so much more is expected of them now. Crown Heights Utica Avenue Station. Going further the stations could even be built by private developers who would get a height bonus for building the station. Your 3/4 routing doesnt work anymore. It lets light through the middle Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. The closest stations to Utica Avenue are: Utica Av/Beverly Rd is 115 yards away, 2 min walk. Even before revenue service or full tunnels were dug the six-track station was a relic of another era. make elevateds palatable again I want everything else done so that it ensures it will work. While there are arguments to be made for extending the Nostrand Ave Line south I would argue that with the addition of Utica Ave that demand would be reduced as riders coming from the east or southeast would take Utica over a bus to Nostrand. I know this is something that the City wont consider if they ever release their Utica Ave plan which is why I want to start the discussion now. The Canarsie and Myrtle Lines. Home; Blog; Nosotros; Contacto; Nuestros Clientes; Copia de Home V2; utica avenue abandoned station Planning may have actually begun. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. Some of the old trolley poles are still there! IRT Utica only needs a simple switch added to Rogers Junction to start running. I think I can solve that problem and still have a train servicing East NY&Brownsville, Mill Basin, and Flatbush/East Flatbush. This would be the beginning of the IND plan which would ultimately propose extending a branch of the 6th Ave Subway through Williamsburg and down Utica Ave. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. Unlike the Utica Ave stretch, the Flatbush Ave structure would run along the center of the street on a modern concrete viaduct (similar to what the AirTrain uses long Van Wyck Expressway). Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 2 tracks and two side platforms. Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. At Utica Avenue, provisions were made for a transfer to the proposed Utica Ave line. The station opened on August 23, 1920, as part of an extension of the IRT Eastern Parkway Line by the Interborough Rapid Transit Company. 10. [16], The IRT Eastern Parkway Line was built as part of Route 12 from 1915 to 1918. In your next post, could you talk about a potential Fordham-Ozone Park line served by the 2nd Ave Subway? Also the train that stays down Fulton past Utica would now have 4 terminals, Euclid Ave, Ozone Park, and The Rockaways. 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Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. 5 all times except late nights, 6. Go for a The Utica Avenue extension in particular has been proposed several times as part of the New York City Transit Authority's 1968 expansion proposals, in older pre-unification plans, and in the competing pre-unification expansion plans of the Independent Subway System (IND). [24] It consists of ceramic tiles of the sun and moon on the platform walls. So while not impossible it is more complicated and it is dependent on an additional service running down Fulton. Even with CBTC you are limited to about 10-12 tph on each of the (now) three local services (it most definitely does not turn out 15tph on both local service now, closer to 15tph for both combined). 1,2. The station spacing was done to keep costs down. Skip stop on Fulton? And D, when the line is being built, less lanes will have to be teared up. But thats how I see it. The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. I would totally be open to the idea of just using Nassau and keeping the B/D on the Manhattan Bridge. Flatbush Av-Brooklyn College is 2338 yards away, 28 min walk. But for Brooklyn, maybe 4? Climbing the steps to the intermediate level, there are locked doors that serve as access to the unfinished platforms. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. The Utica Avenue subway would bring new rapid transit service to parts of Crown Heights . I realize it looks like Im being hypercritical but thats Its an extremely clever plan that I and many other would have never of came up with but there are some wholes that are worth being built up. Using the IRT as the basis for a Utica Avenue line is much more feasible. With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. south of 63rd V from Bypass to Utica via Williamsburg, 15 TPH each. And normal service would still be able to run. The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. So on late nights obviously the 2/4 would run local. The new trains would be served by trains from Seventh Avenue. on Jamaica Ave to burrow the Broadway El into Fulton Lines station. They will be hardened to survive skyscrapers falling on them and to survive flooding from the next superstorm. Subway, local station, ADA accessible (ONLY northbound 6) 59 St. E 60 St and Lexington Ave, E 59 St and Lexington Ave, E 60 St and 3rd Ave. Four side platforms. Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. But that off-road el idea is just too cool to pass up (I love your picture of the Chicago train going through the building). Youre forgetting one thing though when you switched the 3 and 5 terminals. Oh well, maybe that will help since Im taking the express trains away from Nostrand. Subway prematurely. Many transit activists I talk to refuse any plan which would take a single building but this is unrealistic in any city. Now for the second option. The line's section to Atlantic Avenue was part of Contract 2 of the Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT)'s plan to construct an extension of the original subway, Contract 1. Connecting the currently planned SAS to Fultons local tracks involves building zero junctions and minimal interlining. The point is that focusing on just the Utica Ave section alone could make this project shovel ready while 2nd Ave Phase 3 is still a pipe dream. Utica Avenue Subway Station. That already will cost millions, possibly billions. The storage/layup tracks ends with bumper blocks on both ends, with a switch to the northbound express track on its west end and a switch to the southbound express track on the east end.[8][7]. The biggest issue I have with you routings is that it ignores the changes that need to happen at Rogers Junction. [9] Above is a disused portion of a mezzanine and an unfinished upper level station. Might fit in with narrow streets with tall buildings? Arent they doing In California money itd be about 2. Anyone bemoaning the fact that President St. and Nostrand Ave arent connected? 7. And actually Flushing/Main might be up to 11th now depending on how much traffic SAS has pulled off of Lexington. I outlined my plans for 2nd Ave in a previous post but one thing I only mentioned in passion was how Phase 4 could be achieved cheaper if it was connected to Nassau St after Chatham Sq (as in, 2nd Ave would not connect to Centre St by Bowery by to Nassau St by Chambers). The Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. That leaves the Broadway portion And D as well if cut-and-cover is used. Viaducts where possible. Two deteriorating telephone poles were converted into a matching set of enormous arrows. Another elevator from the south mall leads to fare control.[23]. Theres only four local stations and it could probably crawl through three of them in a skip-stop with the C. You were playing around with skip-stop on Nostrand; maybe itd make sense here. But I think it was for a different one than the four you give. 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